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November 6, 2008 4:50 PM PST

Microsoft aims Windows 7 for 2009 holiday season

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LOS ANGELES--In a technical session on Thursday afternoon, Microsoft provided the clearest public indication that it is planning on getting Windows 7 completed in time to run on PCs that ship for next year's holiday buying season.

In a presentation on its somewhat secretive Velocity program to improve PC quality, Microsoft director Doug Howe showed a slide saying that the Vista Velocity program would continue through next spring as Microsoft worked to improve Vista machines that ship in next year's back-to-school time frame. He went on to say that Microsoft would continue the Velocity effort with Windows 7.

Windows 7 running on an Asus laptop (with bamboo paneling) at WinHEC.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News)

The slides and Howe's presentation appeared to confirm what has been widely speculated--but something Microsoft has not outright said--namely that Windows 7 is aimed to ship around mid-year, in time to be on machines that ship for the 2009 holiday buying season. After the session, Howe essentially confirmed that Microsoft is aiming Windows 7 for the holidays.

"Definitely the holiday focus is going to be on 7," Howe told me.

Although hardly shocking, Microsoft has worked hard not to publicly commit to shipping Windows 7 for next year's PCs. While partners have been told privately when to expect Windows 7, the company is trying to avoid the PR hit that would come with missing another deadline. Officially, the party line is that Windows will ship within three years of the January 2007 consumer release of Windows Vista.

Microsoft hasn't said more about that timing at either this week's WinHEC or last week's Professional Developer Conference. It has said that it will ship a beta version early next year and also hinted that only one release candidate is planned.

The session also shed a little more light on the Velocity program itself. Initially open only to selected computer makers, Microsoft is trying to open up the program somewhat to other hardware and software makers, though it still has yet to publicly say what its criteria are or how it will promote the computers that pass its testing.

Howe said increased marketing is a benefit for computer makers, and a slide said computer makers get promotion in Microsoft's advertising, but Howe would not offer any further details.

As far as criteria, Microsoft didn't offer a list at the session, though Howe confirmed that one of the current benchmarks is having a system that boots up and is ready to run within 50 seconds. Many machines that have gone through the velocity testing can boot up faster, he said, but because there are so many factors that can influence boot times, Microsoft wanted a goal that was broadly achievable.

Microsoft started Velocity in July 2007 as a three-month effort to see what were the main causes of sluggish system performance. It quickly realized a broader effort was needed and has kept the program going as an effort for computer makers to create "best-in-class" machines. The program focuses on improving start-up and shut-down times as well as tasks like going to sleep and waking. Other criteria include making sure that systems ship with stable drivers and software that has been proved to be Vista-compatible.

The specific testing itself is done at Microsoft's labs in Redmond, Wash., Howe said.

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During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by timber2005 November 6, 2008 5:30 PM PST
The ideal "Velocity" benchmark for a CONSUMER...
CPU: 4.0
RAM: 4.0
GPU: 4.0 (both)

Starts in 50 seconds from POST to Desktop showing, NO VARIANCE FOR CRAPWARE LIKE NORTON SLOWING IT DOWN.
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by Lerianis November 6, 2008 6:34 PM PST
Norton? Crapware? What world are you living in? I have Norton on all my PC's, and it slows them down NOT ONE WHIT. They start within 30 seconds to the desktop, and are totally usable within 1 minute.
by jessiethe3rd November 6, 2008 6:44 PM PST
Norton is a SLUG!!!!!! That's why I use Forefront :D
by The_Decider November 6, 2008 8:17 PM PST
Norton is an amazingly crappy piece of security software and is a nasty virus.

It acts just like a virus does.
by ajnauron November 6, 2008 11:09 PM PST
Norton may or may not be slow, since they improved the speed in the newest version, but its protection isn't as good as that of AVG, Avast, and Avira. I mean, come on, WEEKLY updates?
by ddesy November 7, 2008 7:18 AM PST
Symantec's antivirus software really is very bloated. I have used many similar pieces of software, and I find that most of them use less resources than Symantec's offerings.
by its_a_paddlin November 9, 2008 10:37 PM PST
Prior to Norton 2009 it was embarrassingly slow and bloated. They've finally cleaned it with the newer version though. Also, the definitiion updates are daily.
by gsmiller88 November 6, 2008 5:41 PM PST
And let's hope it is truly out for the holiday shopping season, and they don't have another faux pas like with the "Vista ready" program they had for the 2006 holiday season.
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by Signal-Support-System-Spc November 6, 2008 6:08 PM PST
I might be incorrect in assuming this, but I'm hoping that down the line, whatever they end up calling Window 7 will successfully replace Vista the same way XP saved us from the abysmal ME. Until it ships, I'm holding on to my non-Vista OS.
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by Lerianis November 6, 2008 6:35 PM PST
Why? Vista isn't anywhere NEAR as 'abysmal' as ME, in fact compared EVEN TO XP it is a rose WITHOUT thorns.
by The_Decider November 6, 2008 8:18 PM PST
Windows 7 is more lipstick on the pig named Vista.
by Mark_Anderson November 7, 2008 6:30 AM PST
@The_Decider

Can you change your name to 'The_Clueless' please. it would be far more representative and would help people to avoid reading your posts?
by junderdo November 7, 2008 9:11 AM PST
@Mark_Anderson

Well spoken. Although I haven't heard much about WinFS lately. I hope that we're not going to see that fall through yet another iteration of windows
by Renegade Knight November 7, 2008 11:39 AM PST
@ The_Decider

Good summary. They kept the core of Vista which is what has caused my problems for 7. They are fixing the eye candy for 7. The only saving grace for 7 is if they also fix the problems with the underpinnings. They aren't saying they are, but we can hope. Alas I will not jump on the 7 bandwagon like I did the Vista Bandwagon. Much as I enjoy the Vista interface it's been a PITA.

Right now the Vista Fanboys just don't seem to get that there have been real and ongoing problems with Vista for more than a few people. Worse they don't seem to question why MS spends all it's time on 7 and not fixing Vista. Will we get the same service with 7. "Ok we fumbled 7, but 8 will be worth it.
by Mark_Anderson November 7, 2008 3:10 PM PST
I guess it's because Vista doesn't actually need fixing, Renegade Knight.

Of course they are releasing SP2 to improve it though which I guess their engineers must have coded for free because MS spent all the money on advertising, right?

Here's a suggestion: Tell me what current issues Vista has for the average user and then we'll discuss how much of an issue they are, how we can resolve them and if they really are that much of a problem to begin with. That way we can be clear as to what MS needs to fix.

How about it?
by DrtyDogg November 7, 2008 5:51 PM PST
@junderdo: MS has said that WinfFS is done. The project as a whole was ended, though parts of it remain in several MS technologies, SQL Server, ADO.NET, probably more, you are also most likely seeing some of it in Windows 7 as "libraries"
by sroussey November 6, 2008 6:41 PM PST
When will computer makers make the POST part of the bootup process *fast*. And are we ever going to shed BIOS for EFI or similar??
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by ferretboy88 November 6, 2008 7:31 PM PST
Windows 7 is on my shopping list for 2009. I buy all the new os's. Have to keep up with things.
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by The_Decider November 6, 2008 8:19 PM PST
"Keep up"?

MS is years behind the leaders.
by The_Decider November 6, 2008 8:19 PM PST
Isn't getting a Windows OS for Christmas like getting coal in your stocking?
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by AppleSuxLeo November 6, 2008 9:11 PM PST
7 is much further along than Mr Softie is letting us know. The experts say MSFT is going to under-promise and OVER-deliver...in time for Holiday `09 ;)
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by Renegade Knight November 7, 2008 11:40 AM PST
Given they haven't promissed anything about fixing the Vista underpinnings that 7 is built on...lets hope they overdeliver.
by Mr. Dee November 6, 2008 9:26 PM PST
This is a quality release, the stability of build 6801 is a testament to that. With Microsoft having a feature complete beta by early 2009, I am not surprised to see this on shelves and new PC's by September 2009.
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by toosday November 6, 2008 10:12 PM PST
According to what users of the per-beta release have been saying, Windows 7 is already at Beta 2 status. Interesting, that it's so feature-rich at this point in the game.
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by ajnauron November 6, 2008 11:13 PM PST
It's not at beta 2, but it is as STABLE as beta 2. Performance isn't too terrible either, but slightly faster than vista, even though it isn't as fast as XP. Yet. I'm hoping MS doesn't mess up another release, but something tells me this will be much, much better than vista, or even XP. I'm just hoping MS has learned its lessons from spending five years developing vista, only to find it's a bloated XP with a new paint job. MS can't stand another terrible release. If W7 ends up being another vista, nobody will ever have confidence in them anymore. Who would make these gargantuan mistakes only to repeat them?
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by Waam November 6, 2008 11:56 PM PST
Seriously not considering upgrading my XP system and just getting another Mac as my main desktop system. I got a Macbook to compliment my Dell XPS earlier this year, and I think that has completely changed my mind about how a next gen OS should be.
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by bcas400e November 7, 2008 6:15 AM PST
"Who would make these gargantuan mistakes only to repeat them?"

Answer = Microsoft
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by ppgreat November 7, 2008 6:52 AM PST
I was listening to TWIT this past week and even the Windows fanboys on the panel could only generate tepid praise for Windows 7. I suppose it might look appealing if you're just going to stay with Windows for the rest of your life, but I think you do yourself (company, enterprise) a disservice by not examining OS X and Ubuntu as alternatives in the next 12-18 months.
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by ddesy November 7, 2008 7:26 AM PST
Since when has Microsoft been able to meet their self imposed deadlines? If they say 2009, I call either 2010 or 2011 regardless of how far along the pre-releases seem to be.

I have used Vista and have not been impressed. Between the speed (which isn't quite as bad as some say but still doesn't match XP) and issues that the system has due to things like an overabundance of DRM, it just doesn't cut it. From what I have been hearing I have some hope that Windows 7 might fix at least some of the issues. Maybe by the time it is released there will also be a better selection of hardware with well written 64-bit drivers.

Until then, I am happy to keep using Mac OS X and Windows XP with the occasional dash of Linux.
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by Mark_Anderson November 7, 2008 3:11 PM PST
Can I ask a question here?

If you OSX/Linux fanboys are so happy in your Unix based worlds then what the hell are you doing in a blog topic about Windows?

Apart from trolling obviously.
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by Zarland November 7, 2008 3:50 PM PST
It's sad to see how some people with 1gb ram computer complain how slow Vista compare to XP. When Windows XP just came out, a 512 mb memory stick would have cost close to $100. Today, you can get 4gb of ram for under $80. Something goes on for other parts of a computer. Unless you shelved out over ten grants for a semi super computer eight years ago, it's time to upgrade.
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by DrtyDogg November 7, 2008 5:53 PM PST
or not, keep your old computer. Just don't try and put Vista on it.
by awilliams1701 November 8, 2008 7:22 AM PST
Whoever said that 7 is lipstick on a pig is wrong. I've been using 7 pre-beta for a week now on a laptop that chokes on vista with a crappy celeron processor and 1gb of ram. Yet with 7 installed, it runs as good if not better than windows xp even with aero enabled. Without a domain setup it boots to the desktop in about 30 secs or so. With a domain login (and ignoring the time it takes to type your password) its about 40 secs. Windows 7 is definately what vista should have been in the first place. Not to meantion its actually a lot easier to use with the way its organized than vista or XP. We've been holding off on vista with a few exceptions at work, but we are already commmited to switch to 7 on all systems when it comes out.
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by forever4now November 8, 2008 9:18 AM PST
Windows 7 is Microsoft's Chevy Volt. They need to make it happen...or else. Doubtful they can do it though. All the talk in the press at this point seems merely to try to pacify current Windows users, so they don't jump ship to the Mac or Linux. One question I have is, assuming they do make it, how much time will they take for a release AFTER Windows 7?

Comparing OS Releases Cycles:

Windows XP to Windows 7 ----> 8 years
OS X ----> roughly one new release every year
Ubuntu ----> a new release every 6 months
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by RTFT November 8, 2008 9:22 AM PST
I've installed the PDC version of Windows 7 on an ancient HP Pentium II 266Mhz with 640 Meg RAM old desktop and I was quite impressed that it automatically found the drivers for all my old devices - Lexmark printer, Canon camera, usb multimedia flash reader, Agfascan scanner.!
I had it dual boot so I can keep my old Windows 2000 partition just in case. Boots up to the logon screen 3 seconds slower than W2000 but it probably saved me quite a bit of time looking for drivers - thankyou.
Aero does not work on the old video card but the response is not noticeable using Office 2003 - Word, Powerpoint, Access and Excel.
I might get the newer NVIDIA video card that supports aero for $100 or perhaps buy a barebone system with2 gig of ram, AMD 64 X2 2.2 GHZ 250G HD, Nvidia GEFORCE 6100 wit hcase and powersupply for $285 CDN.

Time to contribute to recycling.
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by vettexl November 8, 2008 10:38 AM PST
Windows 7 is a very good operating system.
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